I can't say that all the facts here are 100% accurate, but I would bet a large amount of money on it that they are pretty close! Just a very, very sobering article and video as to what we have (and continue to) done to our fellow man and Mother Earth.
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We should all weep for the future of all things..the video on the site makes the text even more powerful.
We should all weep for the future of all things..the video on the site makes the text even more powerful.
Oh good lord. The only difference today is that for thousands of years 99.9999% of all humans were as poor as the poorest in Africa. Today billions of people live a lifestyle and have access to things that were undreamed of by most humans for the vast majority of our history.
Give this lie a rest.
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Agreed Space guy. Other than the misrepresentation of some facts this article does says practically nothing. Most of the potential problems mentioned could be fixed by reducing the world's population.
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Just because millions have suffered throughout the milleniums, does that make it right now? With technology on the very cusp of reinventing even the inventer (Us), living standards should be far greater in this world and 98% of the wealth shouldn't be owned by less than 10% of the people in the world!
While I respect and value your right to free speech, how dare you say that facts like those are lies? They may not be "spot-on", but they have to be within reason. It's pretty easy to construe the argument like you did when sitting in a nice, cozy home or office on a high-tech computer (something that over 75% of the world's population has never even seen).
Said like a true conservative--cruel and indifferent to the fullest and self-important/righteous to the max.
Sorry MBach30, but the article is full of lies. Even the title is false. Please point me to a time in history that HASN'T been divided by the rich and the poor. Do you think during the Dark Ages when kings and the nobility owned ALL land, crops, livestock, ie. EVERYTHING was a time of equal distribution of wealth? The serfs, or 'poor' were little more than slaves that worked the fields, mines, and quarries and were taxed nearly 100% of anything that they made that could be considered 'income'.
At any point in distant history, the 'poor' were actually POOR. The 'poor' in todays modern western world have to contend with only having one tv in their house, or having to still use dialup to access the internet. Hardly a comparison the poor of the past.
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Just because millions have suffered throughout the milleniums, does that make it right now?
You don't get it do you. In most countries the poorest of the poor live like kings compared to the vast stretch of humanity over time.
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Well, I suppose that could be a valid rationalization; however, and with all due respect, you are missing the mark as well, good sir. Even if 99% of humanity has been at the very bottom rung of the food chain since the beginning of time, does that mean that we should not try to advance ourselves and help our neighbors? Is that a perfect reason as to why humanity has to stay at the bottom rung?
People are not empowered, not motivated to tear down the existing structure of classes and have been for centuries. How could they be? With oppressive regimes that have vast numbers of puppet soldiers and tanks and whatnot, how could even a large uprising stand any chance?
Is there no hope for even the common person that rises to become one in power? Is it true, that in all cases, that power corrupts--and absolute power absolutely corrupts? That once a person--regardless of his background--who gains enough power, will eventually abuse it, serve the interest of himself and a select few?
I guess it boils down to total Anarchism (aka a Stateless Society), or a political philosophy that sees the "state" to be completely unnecessary, detrimental, and very undesirable.
Versus
Governments like monarchies, republics, democracies, authoritarians, dictatorships, oligarchies, totalitarian, theocracies, or plutocracies
I prefer the ancient hunter-gatherer community. A nice, non-hierarchical, self-sufficient small community. But, I realize that's fantasy land.
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I prefer the ancient hunter-gatherer community. A nice, non-hierarchical, self-sufficient small community. But, I realize that's fantasy land.
There in lies part of what you are missing. The words, "I prefer". Not everyone wants what you want. If you gathered up enough people who all shared your particular viewpoint, then there would be no reason you couldn't develop such a community somewhere all on your own. You will find, however, that most people don't want to return to such a state of existence.
The problem with governments is not all people agree on how to live, and spend the preponderance of their time trying to force everyone else that doesn't agree with them to live the way they want them to live. If you had your little hunter-gatherer community would you still care if somewhere in the world there was someone making a whole lot of money? If not, then go find those that would agree with your idea and go make that community somewhere. If you would still care, then you are trying to force others to live the way you want to live and is exactly what oppressive governments try to do.
I don't see anarchy as being a desirable state, but a government should exist only to PROTECT its citizens rights and freedoms. To stop individuals from impeding another individuals right to exist as they wish to do so. The moment a government starts treating one group of people differently from another, it has crossed the line and no longer performs the basic function that it should.
You will ALWAYS have 'classes' within society. People are diverse with different goals, work ethic, lifestyles, etc. Some of these characteristics will lead people to different outcomes in life.
No matter what you do to try to 'equalize' humanity, it will backfire and create a new or different class structure. For example, schools now are starting to have a dozen or so valedictorians because they don't want to hurt anyones feelings by just having one. Well what happens when you have a group of people that is recognized as being different from the rest of the students who are graduating? Yep, you've just created an 'intellectual' class and given time they will begin to separate into groups in society. You can't stop groups from forming. It is a very fundamental aspect to human behavior.
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I prefer the ancient hunter-gatherer community. A nice, non-hierarchical, self-sufficient small community. But, I realize that's fantasy land.
Yes it is. That form never existed though clueless anthropologists like to argue it sometimes.
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Where's your information to back this claim up?
Any second grade playground.
Any high school class
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Then you and I go to different schools. My school says you are full of it.
I prefer the ancient hunter-gatherer community.
This statement is laughable... particularly when you consider it was typed on a computer and posted to a server over this thing we call the Internet, none of which would be possible in a "hunter-gatherer" society. If that is what you "prefer", get a bow and arrow and build yourself a hut in the hills of Montana and hunt and gather away. Who is stopping you? But please stop pretending you "prefer" that which you do not choose.
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The amount of waste water produced annually is about six times more water than exists in all the rivers of the world. We are minding our ground water faster than we can replenish it, sucking it to grow water guzzling chemical-fed crops in deserts or to water thirsty cities who dump an astounding 700 trillion liters of land-based water into oceans every year as waste.
And just whose population do you think needs to be reduced?
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Don't know, but we are growing to a more unsustainable level each and every day.
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How can you say that? What are the numbers? What countries are growing and what are those whose population is falling?
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What countries are growing and what are those whose population is falling?
From the CIA the world factbook:
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/fields/2002.html?countryName=&countryCode=®ionCode=%C5%B8
You realize this chart does not reflect just birth rates? It also deals with migrations of people moving moving across the borders, which is another reason I think this is of interest to the CIA.
Sigh. Yes I do. Do you realize that it still answers the question:
What countries are growing and what are those whose population is falling?
But to use just one source for information cheapens the discussion for population control.
From your comments, they appear to be coming from the latest "news commentary" and not from any other reading you have done on the subject.
http://www.prb.org/Datafinder/Topic/Bar.aspx?sort=v&order=d&variable=109
This is from the population Bureau. To each their own I guess.
Nope I can find others, just at that time I needed a quick and dirty answer to your q, sorry, I should have gone more in depth. Again, thanks.
Appreciate your honesty, actually it made my day (so far, its still early). :)
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WoW, I couldn't infer much about the PRB except that WoW, India, China, the U.S. and Indonesia have waaaay too much people..need some room to breath all of a sudden--everybody out of my personal breathing space! LoL---I'm all for population control, but by all means--do it by giving people incentive not to procreate as much; not the much darker, much more evil method as many conspiracy theorists theorize, lol.
Please visit gapminder.org and watch this video
http://www.gapminder.org/videos/ted-us-state-department/
Hans Rosling and his team are working very hard to prevent this kind of black and white thinking.
IVtheforth--very interesting video by an obviously insightful man.
Spaceguy--
Where's your information to back this claim up?
Any second grade playground.
Any high school class
Hilarious! Thanks so much for the hardy laugh!
WatchtheOtherHand and Naftel--also very insightful stuff!! And it never even dawned on me about the hunter-gather argument and my using the internet....LoL, very observant!
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